Inconsistency in pages behaviour

At http://svetlana.nfshost.com/index.en.html some pages are not marked as translatable though I used '*' as po plugin pagespec. Also I edited page.tmpl and commented out the backlinks section, but it still shows on some pages. These two defects are probably related. Please advise how to troubleshoot. I think rebuilding the wiki is not affecting this problem. --svetlana 22:21:46 AEDT February 9, 2017

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Did you expect http://svetlana.nfshost.com/irc/freenode/index.en.html to be translatable into Russian and not have backlinks, for instance?

This looks like you have changed configuration/templates and not (successfully!) done a full rebuild since then - but you said "I think rebuilding the wiki is not affecting this problem" so presumably you have tried to rebuild the wiki, it just didn't work (or didn't completely work). What exact command did you use, and what was its output?

Comment by smcv — Thu Feb 9 08:13:02 2017

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comment 2

Yes, I expected http://svetlana.nfshost.com/irc/freenode/index.en.html to be translatable into Russian and not have backlinks.

$ ikiwiki --rebuild --verbose --setup ~/wiki/ikiwiki.setup

http://svetlana.nfshost.com/rebuild.txt

Comment by svetlana — Thu Feb 9 17:48:05 2017

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I removed /home/public (the wiki build destination) and rebuilt it, re-enabled po plugin with " or / or // or ///" in its pagespec settings, but it still only picks up root level pages. Subpages are not marked as translatable. This is a problem.

The backlinks issue seems to not have resolved itself, either.

Remarkably, removing sandbox.pot and sandbox.ru.po from ~/wiki made the sandbox page not translatable. It seems that the po plugin is looking for foo/bar.mdwn and foo/bar.pot and foo/bar.po.ru rather than foo/bar/index.mdwn, foo/bar/index.ru.po, foo/bar/index.pot and so on?

I tried to disable "use page/index.mdwn source files" and rebuild the wiki, but now I have "foo/bar/index/" URIs and ?bar is an unknown link marked with a question mark, so I'm going to fix it all up in the source files by hand and see if it helps...

Comment by svetlana — Sun Feb 19 17:59:25 2017

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comment 4

Fixed the .po marking pages as translatable --

un-ticked "use page/index.mdwn source files"
ran this script, committed, and pushed:


    # Bash -- from http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/030
    # Also requires GNU or BSD find(1)
    # Recursively change all *.foo files to *.bar

    find . -type f -name 'index.mdwn' -print0 | while IFS= read -r -d '' f; do
        mv -- "$f" "${f%/index.mdwn}.mdwn"
    done

    find . -type f -name 'index.ru.po' -print0 | while IFS= read -r -d '' f; do
        mv -- "$f" "${f%/index.ru.po}.ru.po"
    done

    find . -type f -name 'index.pot' -print0 | while IFS= read -r -d '' f; do
        mv -- "$f" "${f%/index.pot}.pot"
    done


    mv ..mdwn index.mdwn
    mv ..pot index.pot
    mv ..ru.po index.ru.po

The problem with backlinks still stays so far.

Comment by svetlana — Mon Feb 20 19:42:13 2017

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comment 5

Turns out always listing backlinks (if they exist) is intended behaviour. I followed "allow disabling backlinks" todo page by editing ~/git.ikiwiki.info/IkiWiki/Render.pm

diff --git a/IkiWiki/Render.pm b/IkiWiki/Render.pm
index e8ed627..6142846 100644
--- a/IkiWiki/Render.pm
+++ b/IkiWiki/Render.pm
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-#!/usr/bin/perl
+#!/usr/local/bin/perl

 package IkiWiki;

@@ -111,7 +111,8 @@ sub genpage ($$) {
        }
        templateactions($template, $page);

-       my @backlinks=sort { $a->{page} cmp $b->{page} || $a->{url} cmp $b->{url} } backlinks($page);
+       my @backlinks=sort { $a->{page} cmp $b->{page} || $a->{url} cmp $b->{url} } backlinks($page)
+           unless defined $config{nobacklinks} && $config{nobacklinks} == 0;
        my ($backlinks, $more_backlinks);
        if (@backlinks <= $config{numbacklinks} || ! $config{numbacklinks}) {
                $backlinks=\@backlinks;

Here is line in config:

nobacklinks: 1

and then "perl Makefile.PL ;$MAKE;$MAKE install" . But then running 'ikiwiki --rebuild --setup ~/wiki/ikiwiki.setup' makes no difference. Why ...

Comment by svetlana — Mon Feb 20 23:47:34 2017

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I misread "nobacklinks" as "no backlinks". Turns out setting it to 0 after applying that patch fixes the problem. This whole discussion is now resolved in short term.

In long term, there are a few remaining questions.

Is .po plugin able to work if the user chooses to use foo/index.mdwn ?
Is ikiwiki able to move files back and forth when the user toggles the 'use foo/index.mwdn' setting?
In the case the user toggles this setting, does the .po plugin adapt to the new value (both ways) and move its files around too?

Comment by svetlana — Mon Feb 20 23:56:18 2017

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Is .po plugin able to work if the user chooses to use foo/index.mdwn ?

Your guess is as good as mine. That configuration is really unusual (I'm not quite sure why we even have it as an option), and the po plugin is also unusual (not many people go to the effort of translating their wikis), so it seems likely that you're the first person to try the two together.

Is ikiwiki able to move files back and forth when the user toggles the 'use foo/index.mwdn' setting?

Not that I know of. If it could, it would likely require you to run ikiwiki-transition, but that tool doesn't seem to have any modes that seem relevant.

In the case the user toggles this setting, does the .po plugin adapt to the new value (both ways) and move its files around too?

Almost certainly no.

Comment by smcv — Tue Feb 21 14:17:34 2017

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Is .po plugin able to work if the user chooses to use foo/index.mdwn ?

Discussion on discussion in 2009, before the (then third party) po plugin was merged, says it is known not to work in that configuration.

Comment by smcv — Tue Feb 21 14:21:19 2017

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comment 9

From the above I think we maybe could

write a .po plugin feature that if indexpages is enabled then it logs a warning and disables itself, and
write an ikiwiki feature that when indexpages is toggled then ikiwiki renames the source files accordingly...

Comment by svetlana — Tue Feb 21 18:02:44 2017

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